Hi All:
Duaine M here:
AA did me
harm and I got and stayed sober not because of AA but in
spite of it.
For those of
you who have been helped by AA.
At what cost was this help and can you
see that the cost is far to high for many of us.
For many of us, we have moved past our
past misuse of alcohol an drugs and found a new life
without going back to alcohol/drugs.
We have done this by living life. Not
being trapped in a Cult for the rest of our lives.
I
wish you well and hope you understand that many have been hurt by the
religious cult aa. I
hope to bring a balance.
Bringing to light their stories
might help the group
fix it's self.
I feel this
web page doesn’t do harm but instead helps and heals.
This is
for the those of you out there who have been hurt by
people who are suppose to be there to help.
THE ORANGE PAPERS
One Man's Analysis of Alcoholics
Anonymous
An Online Book
by Secret Agent Orange
The Orange Papers are
sometimes hard to find - They move around with some
people who care keeping them alive - Don't give
up if a link doesn't work - Keep looking -They are will
worth reading.
https://www.orange-papers.info/menu1.html

https://www.orange-papers.info/orange-intro.html
https://www.orange-papers.info/orange-horrors.html

The worst of
madmen is a saint run mad.
-- Pope |
In the Step
groups, it is often heard that "More will be revealed."
For the "revelations" here, perhaps the best place to
start is
In the Beginning
. . .
In the Step groups, it is often heard
that "More will be revealed." For the "revelations"
here, perhaps the best place to start is
In the Beginning . . .
Free books and book
excerpts including the complete The Real AA
and "Alcoholics Anonymous: Cult or Cure?" free on
line for personal use.
The Anti-AA Book That Saved My Butt -- After reading
Ken Ragge's "The Real AA -- Behind The Myth of 12 Step
Recovery", I simply could not go back to
meetings. Here's an on-line version of the text of this
fantastic book. -- Apple

More Revealed: A Critical Analysis of Alcoholics
Anonymous and the Twelve Steps
aka The Real AA: Behind the Myth
of Twelve Step Recovery (See Sharp
edition title)
by Ken Ragge
Read the book

Alice Miller says,
"[More Revealed] will be a shock to many people
because it reveals facts they would rather not know.
But the shock, I have no doubt, will be a healthy
one."
-- Alice Miller is famous as author of The Drama of
the Gifted Child, For Your Own Good: The Hidden
Roots of Cruelty in Childrearing and the Roots of
Violence, and Breaking Down the Wall of Silence
among other books.
Stanton Peele says,
"It's great. [T]he best overall analysis I've seen
of the roots, nature, consequences, and failures of
AA. ...summary of relevant research is excellent and
to the point. ... remarkably well written."
-- social psychologist Stanton Peele is author of
The Meaning of Addiction and The Diseasing of
America.
G. Alan Marlatt says,
"interesting and informing reading ... I admire your
courage to bring up the issues so clearly."
-- G. Alan Marlatt, Ph.D., Professor and Director
Addictive Behaviors Research Center, University of
Washington
Jack Trimpey says,
"a landmark in America's return to sanity in
addiction care. ... the kind of book many would like
to censor ...a reading responsibility for people in
the helping professions."
-- Jack Trimpey, Executive Director of Rational
Recovery Self-Help Network (now in 500 cities) in
The Journal of Rational Recovery
And the public says,
"I have always sensed there was something wrong with
twelve step programs. Since everyone else seemed to
think they were great, I assumed I didn't understand
them completely or perhaps I was in 'denial.' ...
More Revealed has helped me understand the cultism
and dependence inherent in these programs. If this
information had been available to my mother 25 years
ago, she might still be alive."
-- Martha White
"More Revealed is making its way gradually around
our office and everyone thinks the book is about
them, and they have this funny little way of getting
ever so slightly possessive about it, as though they
alone truly understood the secrets held within. So
Ken, hordes of people think you've written a book
just for them, and so you have."
-- Jeanine B., Florida reader
>"I hated this book. I used to think I was an
alcoholic and there was nothing I could do about it
except drink. Now I have to take responsibility."
-- John B.
"Brilliant"
-- Carol King, M.P.H., Yale University, author of
Poverty and Medical Care
"After reading More Revealed, I now understand why
AA members are among the most disoriented, desperate
and lost callers I have handled."
-- Ron W., Suicide Hotline Counselor
"Those who read this book could die."
-- Thomas F., twelve stepper who found this book too
frightening to read
"This book should be required reading for anyone who
wants to be a therapist."
-- Erma Epple, MA
"It opened my eyes..."
-- Bonnie Guerra
"After reading this book I am more convinced that I
must trust my own intuition more than anything else
and march to the beat of my own drummer."
-- Carlos Grado, social worker

courtesy of:
Twelve Step Horror Stories: True Tales of Misery,
Betrayal and Abuse in NA, AA
and 12-Step Treatment
edited Rebecca Fransway, Ed.
Read the book
“Those in this book are incredibly brave. Instead of
sinking into a hole (‘jails, institutions, or
death’) after rejecting AA, as AA told them they
would, they've stood on their own two feet and have
dared challenge a sacrosanct American icon.”—
Stanton Peele, Author of Love and
Addiction, Diseasing of America, Resisting
12-Step Coercion
“Through this book, Rebecca Fransway is doing a
great service to those who are considering joining
or are being forced into the step groups; this
collection of stories will reveal to them that ‘the
loving hand of AA’ is often quite different from its
wall-poster image.“The gift that Rebecca and the
scores of personal accounts in this book offer is
the knowledge that, no, you are not crazy; no, you
are not alone; and yes, there is life after leaving
the step groups.”— Ken Ragge, Author of The
Real AA
“12-Step Horror Stories graphically
reveals America's most under-reported scandal — that
12-step groups and 12-step treatment are usually
ineffective and all too often are actively harmful.”—Charles
Bufe, Author of Alcoholics Anonymous:
Cult or Cure?

courtesy of:
Resisting 12-Twelve Step Coercion: How to Fight
Forced Participitation in AA, NA,
or 12-Step Treatment
by Stanton Peele and Charles Bufe with Archie
Brodsky
Read the Book
from the cover:Every
year 1,000,000 Americans are coerced into Alcoholics
Anonymous, Narcotics Anonymous, and 12-step
treatment.Many of these people are neither
alcoholics or drug addicts. Even for those who do
abuse alcohol or drugs, coerced treatment does
little good, and often amounts to little more than
religious indoctrination.Coerced 12-step
participation has, however, been successfully
challenged several times in recent years in
appeal-level courts on constitutional grounds (as a
violation of the First Amendment's “Establishment
Clause”). But the Supreme Court has yet to rule on
the issue, and even in parts of the country where
courts have ruled against it, 12-step coercion
continues on a massive scale.If you, a loved one, or
a client are being forced to participate in a
12-step group or 12-step treatment, this book will
give you the information you need to challenge that
forced participation — to resist 12-step coercion.
Saints Run Mad
by Marjorie Harrison
Read the Book
First published in 1934, "Saints Run Mad" is a
cricism of the Oxford Group written by an Episcopal
Church lady that reads very well as a criticism of
the 12-Step groups of today. While "Frank" (Frank
Buchman) is gone and not a word is said any more of
the Absolutes, the madness carries on today. Written
from a decidedly Christian perspective, it exposes
the arrogance, hypocracy, and harm done, not only of
70 years ago but in AA and the other Step groups
today. You hardly need be Christian to appreciate
her honesty, candor and wit. But if you are, even
better.— Ken Ragge, Author of More
Revealed aka The Real AA
Soul Surgery
by H. A. Walter
Read the Book
In the 1920s and 30s, a new convert to the Oxford
Group could buy this do-it-yourself manual for a few
pennies and immediately set to work winning new
converts. Supposedly a Christian document, the
essence of the book has nothing to do with
Christianity but with Buchmanism and the details of
their "scientific" program of "soul surgery" or cult
indoctrination techniques. The basic fundamental
"scientific" principles are greatly refined and
still used in modern-day Step groups.— Ken
Ragge, Author of More Revealed aka The
Real AA
What is the Oxford Group?
by The Layman With the Notebook
Read the book in .pdf format
Another book written in the early thirties plainly
shows where much of A.A. came from a few years
before modern-day A.A.'s claim A.A. began. In the
first few words, one will see A.A.'s "the spiritual
principle of Anonymity" before there was an A.A.
(the book was written anonymously) and a description
of the Oxford Group not much different from the way
modern-day A.A. describes itself.

http://www.aadeprogramming.org
MISSION
The
intent of this site is to publicly address some very
serious issues which concern the well known program of
Alcoholics Anonymous. At first glance, this popular
abstinence program appears to save countless lives, but
upon closer examination we find that a notable amount of
individuals suffer further as a result of AA thought
reform. Many see AA as their last hope -- when they fail
to find answers in the program which really work, some
give up, drink fatally and die. (We believe that in some
of these cases, the indoctrinated belief of powerlesness
is acting as a lethal self-fulfilling prophecy) These
deaths are then attributed to the "disease" of
alcoholism and the lost member is seen as not having
"worked the program". We do not agree with this
viewpoint! The contributors to this site have found that
AA has a dark side which is rarely discussed in meetings
and is discussed only in a limited capacity in print.
This is an attempt to voice this much needed alternate
point of view. Additionally, we hope to provide an open
forum for discussion where questioning and critiquing is
encouraged, so that those individuals who do choose AA
can be better consumers. Lastly, for those creative
thinkers who are spinning their wheels in a 12 step
program, we hope to provide long-overdue information
which encourages growth outside of AA.
Meditation of the Month -- October
I tried for years to live according to everyone else's
morality.
I tried to live like everyone else, to be like everyone
else.
I said the right things even when I felt and thought
quite differently.
And the result is a catastrophe.
-Albert Camus
Twelve Step Free Zone
"12-Step-Free Zone: the
place to be out of step"
What
12-Step-Free Is
12SF is a discussion
group for those who
reject 12-step ideology
or are seriously
questioning it. Members
are those who have left
step groups, who are
still attending but are
uncomfortable and
considering leaving, who
have loved ones caught
up in steppism, who are
professionals in the
fields of addiction, law
enforcement, etc., or
who simply have an
interest in discussing
and debunking
12-steppism. We talk
about how steppism has
harmed people (or how it
hinders growth), and we
debunk the superstitious
and unscientific beliefs
of the 12-step movement.
We also talk about
political issues related
to "addiction" and
"recovery", including
court cases which have
declared 12-steppism to
be a religion.
XA
You will see this
abbreviation used
frequently by
listmembers. It is a
generic term for all of
the hundreds of Step
groups, AA, NA, OA, GA,
Al-Anon, Gam-Anon, ACoA,
etc.
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JOIN THE
12 STEP FREE ZONE!
Description

12-Step Coercion Watch
is a discussion list for
those concerned about
the violations of
religious liberty that
are occurring throughout
the world where people
are being coerced into
the 12-Step programs of
Alcoholics Anonymous and
its many offshoots such
as Narcotics Anonymous.
In the United States
alone more than a
million people each year
are forced into these
programs by courts,
licensing boards, and
government employers.
Two federal circuit
courts (Second and
Seventh Circuits) and
two state supreme courts
(Tennessee and New York)
have ruled this practice
to be in violation of
the Establishment Clause
of the First Amendment,
yet the coercion
continues throughout the
country and also in
other countries.
The discussions will
focus on planning and
initiating
organizational efforts
to end 12-Step coercion
worldwide. The primary
focus will be, but not
be limited to, legal
challenges in the
courts. This may
include, but not be
limited to, advising
those now being coerced
that this coercion is
unconstitutional,
encouraging them to file
suit, and finding legal
assistance for them.
We encourage lawyers and
laypersons alike to
participate in this
group and hope that a
Supreme Court decision
will eventually lead to
the end of 12-step
coercion in the U.S. We
also would like to hear
from those from other
countries where coercion
exists so together we
can work to end 12-step
coercion worldwide once
and for all.
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Nursesforrecoveryfreedom · Nurses for Recovery Freedom
Welcome to the
Nurses for Recovery Freedom site. This site was created
as an informational site for any nurse mandated to the
12 step culture for licensure preservation. The site is
to keep us informed of legal issues regarding our
constitutional rights in regards to recovery treatment.
For those with chemical dependency issues, there are few
alternatives and mandated programs, have been found to
be illegal in certain courts. Although this can be an
extremely confusing, overwhelming and intimidating time,
much can be gained through education and understanding
of the systems that control our profession. We do have
choices, but must voice our opposition to the abuse of
our consitutional rights, regardless of our profession
or situation.
Escape From The Cult of AA
Title:
Escape_From_The_Cult_of_A_A (EFTCoaa)

EFTCoaa is a group
committed to
deprogramming from AA's
cult doctrines. It is
not our business nor is
it our mission to
determine for our
members how they should
handle alcohol in their
personal lives. We tend
to be more supportive of
those who have
maintained abstinence,
as most who come here do
not wish to drink.
However they DO wish to
be free of AA Stepism.
What IS our mission is
to help individuals, who
have been harmed by AA
and see it as a cult, to
deprogram themselves
from it's destructive
thinking. The wounds
that cults leave behind
are deep and lasting,
and it is our hope that
EFTCoaa will be a place
to demystify and
de-sanctify 12 step
rhetoric that stays in
the thought processes
long after a person has
left the AA cult. We
promote personal
empowerment rather than
powerlessness;
freethinking rather than
rigid non-thinking
obedience; choice rather
than fear and
terrorizing; and freedom
to live one's life as
one sees fit. There are
2 things we do not
tolerate and will ban
members for:
proselytizing for AA and
abusive personal attacks
on members. This place
is to be a safe haven
for many minds with many
ideas. The whole point
is to regain our
individuality. We are
not professionals. We
encourage those who need
medical attention to
seek it, and maintain
links to other groups
for support of
abstinence such as
Rational Recovery, S.O.S.,
SMART etc.
DARE TO ASK YOURSELF 7
QUESTIONS:
1. Do you feel that A.A.
is NOT the only road to
Sobriety?
2. Do you take issue
with being chided for
questioning the
“Program”?
3. Are you troubled by
AA's Religious
foundation?
4. Have you been greatly
harmed by AA?
5. Do you ever wonder if
AA is a cult?
6. Do you question being
told that you cannot be
angry?
7. Have you been forced
to admit powerlessness
over your life in a way
that empowers other
members while it
diminishes you?
If you answered yes to
two or more of these
questions, EFTCoaa just
might be a YAHOO group
for you.
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WELCOME
X-STEPPERS
This site
is for people who were desperately seeking recovery from
addiction, or was coerced by the "powers that be" to
join what was thought to be a group that would help them
find freedom from addiction, and instead
found themselves caught up in a cult that they could not
easily walk away from without repercussions.
Many people view 12-step organizations as harmless
support groups designed to help people overcome various
addictions and regain their lives, however, for many of
us this view was far from the reality of what 12-step
groups really are! Many of us have awakened after years
of brainwashing to find that we had not regained our
lives, but had instead lost our individuality and the
freedom to think for ourselves. Many of us have lost
much more, some have lost their families and suffer
emotionally from their experiences inside
these "harmless support groups," others have committed
suicide because they could not live up to the
expectations of sponsors or other group members. This
site is dedicated to those who cannot tell their
stories. It is our hope that this discussion list will
provide some insight into how cults operate, how you
can discern whether or not you are in a recovery cult,
and how others have found their freedom from the step
religion and reclaimed their lives.
alt.recovery.from-12-steps
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.recovery.from-12-steps
aabugsusbecause · aa bugs us because
AA bugs us for many legitimate reasons!
(We're not to be confused with that flaming 12-stepper
group called "aabugsmebecause," which is a misnomer
since nothing about AA really bugs them.)
Feel free to rant about AA here - steppers, enter at
your own risk!
without_aa
·
sober _without_
alcoholics_anonymus
Description
Yes, you can stay sober
without AA. We are people
who have been burned by AA
and we discuss things we
believe are wrong within AA.
If you are convinced of the
AA doctrine that you cannot
be sober without AA, then
this is probably not a group
you should join. Our desire
is to help you see what AA
really is and we are not
counselors or trained
professionals. This list is
not meant to replace
professional therapy.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/without_aa/
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Alcoholics
Anonymous
A
Gallery of Visual Aids for the Sane
The Step-Think Ticker
Your Brain on AA
©2003 Partnership for a Twelve
Step-Free America®

As Bill Sees It


The Twelve Step Cult
by
Mitch Bailey
http://www.bee.net/cardigan/attic/guest09.htm
The Semantics
of the Twelve Step Neurosis: Surrender, Disease, Denial
and other dysfunctional 12-step pathways to personal
dis-empowerment and cult dependency
by Clifton W.
Kirton (Dr.X-ray)
http://www.aadeprogramming.org/reclaim/semantics.html

CULT-BUSTING
Jeffrey A. Schaler, Ph.D.
ABSTRACT
Psychological characteristics of cult membership are
discussed. The cult nature of Alcoholics Anonymous and
disease model of addiction ideology is examined.
Patterns of response by individuals who believe strongly
in the disease model of addiction when their ideology is
challenged are analyzed.
The Twelve Step Cult
by
Mitch Bailey
We live in
a society seemingly overwhelmed with addictions to
various chemicals. An habitual user of drugs/alcohol is
usually encouraged to seek "treatment" within the format
of a program offering 12 Steps to sober living. Most
heralded is Alcoholics Anonymous (AA).
We live in a society
seemingly overwhelmed with addictions to various
chemicals. An habitual user of drugs/alcohol is usually
encouraged to seek "treatment" within the format of a
program offering 12 Steps to sober living. Most heralded
is Alcoholics Anonymous (AA).

How to Become a Cult
Leader
Help and support for people with support group
dependency problems (or stepper interferance problems)



Counseling for Ex-Members


Overcoming Your Alcohol, Drug & Recovery
Habits: An Empowering Alternative to AA and 12-Step
Treatment
Drink advice service confronts sex abuse
AA acts on rising reports of attacks
by volunteers
Gerard
Seenan
Guardian
Wednesday July 5, 2000
Vulnerable
alcoholics seeking help for their addiction are being
subjected to sexual and other abuse at the hands of
long-serving volunteers from the world's largest alcohol
support group.
Cited: 47 Duke L. J. 785
[*pg 785]
Hi, I am Michael,
For fifty years I have been in contact with spiritual
movements or read up on them. I have been interested
particularly in their influence on its members, who I
have followed now for a considerable number of years all
over the world. I have been struck by the fact that
developments within such groups always seem to follow a
similar pattern. When people unite for a special purpose
a field of tension seems to arise based on unleashed
subconscious drives.
Please allow me to share with you some of my
observations.
Debating
with
Jehovah's
Witnesses
Approximate Reading
Time:
30 Minutes
Note: This article is
primarily about the Witnesses, but many points are
applicable when you discuss emotionally charged matters
with people other than Witnesses
RELIGION AND REHABILITATION: THE REQUISITION OF GOD BY
THE STATE
DEREK P. APANOVITCH


Alcoholics Anonymous
History
God's Sword of Truth - The Word
Alcoholics
Anonymous
By The Holy Spirit's
Disciple, Raymond Laginess

ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS: THE UNMASKED DECEPTION OF THE
12- STEP RECOVERY PROGRAM; IT'S FOUNDERS; IT'S
HISTORICAL
SPIRITUAL ROOTS; AND IT'S INEFFECTIVENESS AS A TREATMENT.
We need more links
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